Transcript: SFFWRTCHT 9/07/11 With Greg Van Eekhout

BryanThomasS: Upcoming guests: 9/14 @danielpolansky @9/21 @mosessiregar 9/28 @AISFPpodcast 10/5 Ari Marmell Also: AC Crispin & Brent Weeks #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 00:58:02 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Welcome to Science Fiction Fantasy Writer´s Chat. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 00:59:58 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Our goal is to talk w/ writers, editors, & others abt the craft of writing, specifically related to writing speculative fiction. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:00:10 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Our format is round table discussion. Please restrict ?s to writing craft, business of writing & the specific works of the guest. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:00:19 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Please wait until your question gets answered to ask another & use the hashtag #sffwrtcht for all questions and comments. (Thu Sep 08 01:00:27 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: It´s up to the guest whether the question time will run longer than our allotted hour slot. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:00:38 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Today we published our first blog only interview with SM Stirlinghttp://t.co/yyjsQzX but we have a lot more to come. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:01:25 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Tonight´s guest writes for everyone: an adult novel, a Young Adult novel, and a Middle Grade Novel #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:01:36 +0000 2011)

sffwrtcht: Norse Code (adult), Kid V. Squid (YA) and the latest The Boy At the End Of The World (MG). #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:01:43 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: I’m on Science Fiction & Fantasy Writer’s Chat RIGHT THE HECK NOW. Use #sffwrtcht hastag to ask me questions. (Thu Sep 08 01:01:46 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: His forthcoming trilogy the Osteomancer´s Son is abt a kingdom of Los Angeles powered by bones from the LaBrea Tar Pit #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:01:50 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: His stories have appeared in Years Best SF 24, Solaris Book of SF, Asimov´s, Year´s Best Fantasy and Realms Of Fantasy & more #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:02:02 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: He´s our first YA/MG author guest. Welcome to #sffwrtcht @gregvaneekhout!(Thu Sep 08 01:02:12 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Thanks for having me! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:02:25 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Let´s start with the basics: Where did your interest in Science Fiction and Fantasy come from? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:02:34 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout welcome to the chat #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:02:41 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout By the way, just so you know, since some don’t, @sffwrtcht is also me tweeting. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:02:54 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Star Trek (orig. series), Planet of the Apes, comic books. Those are my first deities. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:03:09 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Oh! Star Wars, too. Jeez. Of course Star Wars. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:03:27 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Awesome. I was a huge TOS fan too and Star Wars, yes! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:03:41 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Who were some of the authors who most thrilled and inspired you growing up? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:03:45 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout And I own all the Apes movies and the TV show. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:03:58 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Dvds, I mean… #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:04:06 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht In terms of lit, Bradbury, Harlan Ellison, Stephen King, and then a slew of comics writers. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:04:31 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Favorite comic? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:04:43 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Those Apes movies BLEW MY FREAKING MIND. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:04:49 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Yes. Especially the ending of number 1. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:05:05 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Legion of Superheroes. Costumes, super powers, in a SF-nal setting. CANDY. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:05:11 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Awesome! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:05:27 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS DAMN THEM ALL TO HELL! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:05:30 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: When did you start writing and how long until your first sale? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:05:38 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Started writing w/intent to publish in high school/early college. Sold first story for $10 when I was 26. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:06:09 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Heston was awesome. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:06:10 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Did you study creative writing at all in school? How´d you learn your craft? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:06:30 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Took several years after that for first pro sale, and more and more years till first novel. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:06:36 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I took some creative writing in school, but it wasn’t really helpful. Just an excuse to write for class credit. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:07:03 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout You’ve published a lot of short stories though and been recognized in several year’s bests. Congrats! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:07:08 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I learned by reading and writing. Writing, writing, writing. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:07:19 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout But getting to write in class is pretty cool, isn’t it? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:07:27 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Well, thanks! The best-of reprints are nice, because it expands one’s audience. They pay crud, though. ;-) #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:07:58 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: You used to develop curriculum for schools as a day job, right? How do you apply those skills in writing stories? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:08:07 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout They pay in prestige more than $ I imagine #sffwrtcht(Thu Sep 08 01:08:20 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS It can be dangerous, though. You’re not necessarily writing what you want. You start writing for a grade. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:08:21 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Sure but at the same time, learning about deadlines isn’t that bad a lesson #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:08:55 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout in other words you have your first experience with pleasing your audience. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:09:01 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Curriculum demands clarity of message. Which is a good tool to have in your kit as a writer. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:09:06 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS True, but when you’re writing for short stories, it’s also okay to take some time to get it right. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:09:27 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: When writing for YA or MG audiences vs. adult, how much work is it to adjust the vocabulary you use? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:09:32 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @shadowflame1974 Your audience being a crusty old prof with an anti-genre bias, though, in my case. :-) #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:09:52 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Short stories and novels. Yes. Taking the time to get it right is important, agreed! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:09:58 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @gregvaneekhout I have a limited vocab. anyway! Actually, I probably error on the side of big words with the MG stuff. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:10:26 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Ah yes, so were you forced to try different genres and literary by the crusty prof? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:10:29 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Kids are smart and they learn vocab from context. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:10:39 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I was pretty impressed with the vocab in Boy, for sure. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:10:47 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Did the editor ever question any words you used as appropriate? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:11:08 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS My prof said my sf stories were like farting through a keyhole. “Clever, but why bother?” #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:11:09 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout LOL Well, he did have a way with description…I guess…. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:11:32 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS No, I think she was willing to market the book for a slightly older audience if the vocab. got TOO challenging. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:11:43 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS He stole the line from another writer. :-D #sffwrtcht(Thu Sep 08 01:11:58 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Where´d the idea for “The Boy At The End Of The World” come from? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:12:03 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht It started with a broken robot. I’m drawn to broken robots. They’re in a lot of my stories. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:12:25 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Then I wrote a story called “Far As You Can Go,” which was post-apocalyptic about a boy & a broken robot. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:12:55 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Did we have trauma as a child with a broken toy robot perhaps? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:13:08 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht It was written for adults, but I thought I might revisit it as an MG novel, and it turned out to be super fun to write #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:13:33 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: It´s set after an environmental apocalypse of sorts w/ specimens preserved in Arks full of pods lft bhnd to preserve the species #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:13:49 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: The POV character, Fisher, is one of these pod specimens, a child born and programmed as a Fisher #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:14:00 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Ha! No, I just see them as a metaphor for flawed humans. Which we all are. They’re funny & sad. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:14:12 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: He´s befriended by a “broken” metal man whose mission is to keep him alive and by a young mammoth. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:14:18 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Interesting choice of the word “ark” as describing the libraries of pods. Biblical reference? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:14:59 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Right. The robot, Click, is a “helpful” companion whose flaws often make him not very helpful. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:15:00 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Yes, indeed. There was irony in that. But he was teachable and good with following instructions. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:15:29 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Nope. I’d been reading about a real seed ark in Norway, I think. That’s just what scientists call ‘em. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:15:33 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Some of the most interesting science details in the book were suppositions about how species might adapt in size, etc. to survive #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:15:52 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: I´d imagine its fun to think up such details. Did you do any specific research in conceiving them? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:16:03 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Well, I read about “Island Syndrome” which leads to weirdly large or small versions of “normal” animals. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:16:39 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht But mostly my research informed me that such changes really take a lot of time. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:16:54 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Interesting. That’s an actual syndrome scientists have witnessed in nature then? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:17:02 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht That’s why I added the genetic engineering component, to accelerate the possible changes. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:17:15 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yup. Pygmy mammoths, the “Hobbit” people of Indonesia, lots of examples in nature. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:17:41 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: I found the idea of preprogrammed human specimens as Fishers, etc. interesting as well. Genetic engineering too, right? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:17:54 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yeah, the pod people are genetically engineered and artificially gestated. Their personalities are uploaded. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:18:56 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Do you start with characters sketches or outlines or just let it unfold as it comes? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:19:07 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @gregvaneekhout As a story-telling device, it was fun to play with nature/nurture questions. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:19:22 +0000 2011)
hyperlouis: @gregvaneekhout Is it harder to write science ‘fiction’ now that so much of what was science fiction is now fact? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:19:28 +0000 2011)
louisbshalako: @gregvaneekhout Is it harder to write science ‘fiction’ now that so much of what was science fiction is now fact? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:19:29 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout So is the assumption then that the genetic engineering is perfected so they’re suitable to the upload? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:19:29 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Characters usually arise organically. I need some chapters, or sometimes whole drafts, to discover them. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:19:51 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout So you’re more of a pantser then? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:20:13 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @louisbshalako Nah, I believe science fiction in media is the fantasy land we’re still allowed to believe in. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:20:22 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I’m actually trying to teach myself to be a better outliner. Fewer dead ends and missteps. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:20:55 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: @gregvaneekhout You said language wasn’t a particular barrier. What adjustments must be considered in writing YA/MG v. adult? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:21:08 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS More and more, though, book acquisitions depend on an outline with thee submission, so it’s good to learn it. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:21:31 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout It does simplify plotting and foreshadowing #sffwrtcht(Thu Sep 08 01:21:34 +0000 2011)
eruditeogre: @gregvaneekhout @sffwrtcht So characters emerge from the exigencies of narrative or plot? Is there a trend to how they develop? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:21:41 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I’m teaching myself that as well #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:21:49 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @eruditeogre Hey, we’re talking YA and MG here. No big words. :P #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:22:09 +0000 2011)
eruditeogre: RT @gregvaneekhout: @louisbshalako Nah, I believe science fiction in media is the fantasy land we’re still allowed to believe in. #sffw … (Thu Sep 08 01:22:13 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht It’s more a mindset than a list of forbiddens and requirements. Kids are complicated with a complicated mindset. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:22:24 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Tell us about Kid V. Squid. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:22:50 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @eruditeogre They start off by being plot pawns and gradually take shape and develop a degree of unpredictable “realness” #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:23:03 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Kid vs. Squid was born as a piece of flash fiction about the survivors of sunken Atlantis. Every summer they wash up #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:23:45 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @gregvaneekhout on the shores of a beach town in Central California and work as carnies. The hero of KvS is tasked with #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:24:13 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht defeating the evil witch (who’s just a severed head) who wants to sink California. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:24:33 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht It was my chance to tell a story expressing my love of quirky seaside tourist culture. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:24:56 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout LOL The antagonist’s a severed head? LOL I did hear it was comedic #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:25:02 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS It’s my “funny” book. :-) Yeah, she’s a head in a box, displayed in a museum as the WHAT-IS-IT??? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:25:37 +0000 2011)
eruditeogre: @gregvaneekhout the idea of mindset over rules makes a lot of sense. Sounds like it can give you both flexibility and empathy. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:25:44 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Nice. But she plies her evil from the box? #sffwrtcht(Thu Sep 08 01:26:01 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: What differences make Kid V. Squid YA and The Boy At The End Of The World MG? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:26:12 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @eruditeogre Rules don’t really work for me. It makes the books lifeless and contrived. YMMV, though. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:26:21 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yes, when she’s conscious she can cast spells, and she has kelp men and lobster guys as henchmen. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:26:46 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Oh, they’re both MG, actually. “Boy at the End” is actually upper-middle grade. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:27:14 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout LOL NICE #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:27:26 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Oh ok, sorry, I’d heard YA for Kid. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:27:39 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS It’s all basd on real life. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:27:45 +0000 2011)
timothypower67: Greg’s drawings of some of the characters in KvS are awesome. Seek them out! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:27:48 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS People lie. You know how people are. THEY LIE. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:27:56 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Sounds it. LOL. Did either of the MG books come from Short Stories? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:28:03 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @timothypower67 Hey, Tim, author of The Boy Who Howled! Thanks! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:28:10 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @timothypower67 Where can we find them? Just in the book? #sffwrtcht(Thu Sep 08 01:28:32 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yup. Kid vs. Squid from a flash piece called “Flotsam,” and ‘Boy at the End’ from a story “Far as You Can Go” #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:28:46 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS People lie. You know how people are. THEY LIE. #sffwrtcht / LOL Yes, unfortunately I do know. (Thu Sep 08 01:28:52 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: @gregvaneekhout Ok, so tell us a little about “Norse Code.” Is it also s.s. inspired? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:29:18 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS “Far As You Can Go” was written for adults, though, and it’s in Year’s Best 24, Dozois (ed.) #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:29:19 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS The drawings are somewhere on my website, I think? Not in the book. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:29:41 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Interesting. Because reading “Boy” I thought a sequel from the adult world perspective would be very interesting #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:29:51 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Norse Code grew out of my first pro short story sale, “Wolves Till the World Goes Down” #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:30:08 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: So @gregvaneekhout can testify to the power of expanding short stories as novels and using them as inspiration for same… #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:30:48 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht It assumes some of the Norse gods are conspiring to kick off Ragnarok. There’s a huge cosmic battle at CostCo. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:30:50 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I always suspected CostCo was a dangerous place… #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:31:08 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Norse Code expresses my love of taking fantasy elements and putting them in modern settings. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:31:23 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @BryanThomasS @gregvaneekhout hehehe #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:31:33 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout And Norse was an adult novel but one you wrote after first trying a YA story? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:31:53 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Short stories are nice ways to test some ideas that could be expanded to novel length. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:31:55 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yup. My first book was YA. Never published. Norse Code, my second attempt at a novel, is fantasy for adults #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:32:32 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout do you have trouble keeping a short story short? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:32:33 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: What kind of responses do you get from readers and critics/reviewers on your work so far? Do kids respond diff. than adults? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:32:55 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @shadowflame1974 Anymore I have trouble with short stories at all. My brain’s been reconfigured to think novels. Distressing. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:33:06 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @shadowflame1974 Good question! LOL #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:33:08 +0000 2011)
AISFPpodcast: I am missing the chat with @gregvaneekhout at #sffwrtcht. But you don’t have to! Click the hashtag, follow along, and ask questions. (Thu Sep 08 01:33:23 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I have to learn short story craft. Novels have always been my focus, even as a reader. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:33:26 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @shadowflame1974 When I do write short stories, though, tends to be flash. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:33:36 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @AISFPpodcast And later on #sffwrtcht will enjoy chatting with you. LOL(Thu Sep 08 01:33:41 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout aaahhh.. I have friends with troubles like those. all of their works want to be novels #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:33:46 +0000 2011)
shaunfarrell: I can’t miss that one, eh? :-) RT @BryanThomasS: And later on #sffwrtcht will enjoy chatting with you. LOL (Thu Sep 08 01:34:15 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht I actually get so much more response from adults than kids. Kids seldom email. It’s kind of weird, because … #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:34:19 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout I love flash. still haven’t gotten used to micro yet, but over 2 years have got the hang of it #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:34:31 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht … it’s like getting the reader response second hand. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:34:37 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout So adults write on behalf of their kids. Interesting. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:35:25 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @shadowflame1974 To me, the shorter I can get, the better. There was a Twitter fiction market I sold something to. That was fun! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:35:25 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout have you had kids who read your books contact you later? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:35:48 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: @gregvaneekhout What can you tell us about the Osteomancer´s Son. The trilogy relates to a successful short sold to Asimov´s? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:35:56 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Or often, the readers of kids books are adults. There’s a whole adult gatekeeper level to get beyond. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:36:11 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I just listened to the podcast of “Osteomancer’s Son” (part of it) before this chat because I was so intrigued #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:36:21 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @shadowflame1974 Yeah, but far fewer than adult readers and parents/teachers/librarians. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:36:34 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Ah ok. Of course. That makes sense. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:36:35 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @shaunfarrell Yeah I suppose not. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:36:51 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Right, another book that started as a short story. Basic idea: Magic exists in the remains of magical creatures. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:37:10 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Wizards get power from consuming those remains. It’s a twist on Eastern herbal medicine, really. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:37:38 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Los Angeles, with the La Brea Tar Pits, is a rich source of magic, and as a result is ruled by wizards. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:01 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I was intrigued because I spent several years working in a bldg across the street from LaBrea Tar Pits #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:03 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout and I loved eating lunch over there. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:10 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Wizards get power from consuming those remains. It’s a twist on Eastern herbal medicine, really. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:37:38 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Los Angeles, with the La Brea Tar Pits, is a rich source of magic, and as a result is ruled by wizards. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:01 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout I was intrigued because I spent several years working in a bldg across the street from LaBrea Tar Pits #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:03 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout and I loved eating lunch over there. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:10 +0000 2011)
hyperlouis: @gregvaneekhout What do short stories teach a writer? You get quicker feedback, right? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:18 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Our hero is a thief and the son of a wizard killed by LA’s head wizard. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:18 +0000 2011)
louisbshalako: @gregvaneekhout What do short stories teach a writer? You get quicker feedback, right? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:19 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout And this is epic fantasy for adults, rigth? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:24 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS It’s really a magical sort of place! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:38:36 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Yes. Because I LOVED dinosaurs as a kid. Was obsessed. Love watching Jurassic Park for the dino scenes! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:39:07 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @hyperlouis Primarily, you learn to conceive, write, and finish stories. You learn concision. You learn to BE a writer. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:39:11 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Right, “Osteomancer” is modern epic fantasy for adults. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:39:41 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Very excited about it. Is the first book done? When can we expect it? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:40:03 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: What role do beta readers play for you in the process now that you have a publisher? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:40:16 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I’m halfway through 2nd draft of Book 1, due Dec. 1 (eep!) 2013 pub is likely. MAYBE 2012. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:40:44 +0000 2011)
followthelede: *lurking now that the power is back* #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:40:58 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Ah yes, I have to do a draft two and finish draft one by mid-October on my book 2. I feel your eep! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:41:20 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht I still depend on my beta readers. You want your editor’s 1st impression to be as good as possible. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:41:23 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS EEP! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:41:36 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @followthelede Catch up here: http://t.co/juzlmec #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:41:39 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Are your betas fellow professional writers or friends of various bgs? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:42:06 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: @gregvaneekhout What’s your writing time structured like? Are you full time? Do you put on music? Use special software? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:42:43 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS They’re all professional writers, plus my girlfriend, who’s not. They know what I’m trying to accomplish & push me #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:43:05 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout She’s a professional scientist though, isn’t she? So a tough reader nonetheless… #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:43:29 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht Full time for the time being. I sometimes need noise, sometimes silence, sometimes the solitude of my desk … #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:43:52 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht … sometimes the energy of a coffee shop. Whenever something’s not working, I try something else. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:44:20 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Do you participate regularly in any writer’s groups of pros to help you? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:44:32 +0000 2011)
followthelede: RT @gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht I still depend on beta readers. You want your editors 1st impression to be as good as possible. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:44:33 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS She’s not a terribly tough reader, but she knows when something strikes her as good vs. when it’s just okay. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:44:49 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Awesome to be flexible with writing time. Any plans to write in other genres? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:45:03 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I go to Blue Heaven, a pro, peer novel workshop most years. It’s like an annual writer’s group. sorta. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:45:51 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Ah yes. I think some of our other guests have been a part of that @brendacooper as I recall #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:46:33 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht I’m really happy writing fantasy and sf. I’d still like to try YA and comics. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:46:36 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: @gregvaneekhout What projects are you working on for the future that we can look forward to besides Osteomancer’s Son? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:47:00 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yeah, and Brenda’s also been to Blue Heaven spin-off Starry Heaven w/me and other BH-ers. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:47:02 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht The two next Osteomancer books have me busy for the next year or two. At some point, another mg novel … #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:47:35 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @sffwrtcht … I’m not contracted for another mg, so I’m waiting until it’s a story that I can’t NOT write. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:48:00 +0000 2011)
hyperlouis: @gregvaneekhout Do you need a ‘gag,’ in the sense you need to know the end before you start? (I flounder without one.) #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:48:12 +0000 2011)
louisbshalako: @gregvaneekhout Do you need a ‘gag,’ in the sense you need to know the end before you start? (I flounder without one.) #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:48:13 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Ah ok. I’d love to see more of what happens to Fisher after he meets the girl #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:48:20 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @hyperlouis I’d say it’s more like a bridge? I need to see something at the end, even if it’s distant and foggy. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:48:47 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: Also, I see you’ve collaborated with @jay_lake. Any other plans to collaborate? How do you approach collaboration? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:48:51 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Hopefully if sales are good, the publisher will consider buying another Fisher book from me. I’d love to write it. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:49:30 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Very cool. Are BH and SH invite workshops? #sffwrtcht(Thu Sep 08 01:49:34 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Find Greg online at http://t.co/SmBN5Yg and also on Facebook and, of course, here at Twitter! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:49:46 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: Find Greg online at http://t.co/qOVJw3q and also on Facebook and, of course, here at Twitter! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:49:47 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Collabs are always different. Jay gave me a completed story and said “Add emotional element.” #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:50:05 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: 10 min left to ask your questions of @gregvaneekhout #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:50:14 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout was that difficult? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:50:30 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Interesting. Bet he’s fun to work with. His mind works in interesting ways. Real nice guy too. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:50:42 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Other collabs’ve been round robin where you try to basically hose the other guy. No current plans, but I like ‘em. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:50:46 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Yep, invite. If you google them, there’s whole instructions on how to run that kind of workshop online. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:51:11 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout LOL Hosing the other guy. Hmmm, maybe you should invite crusty prof to collaborate…or maybe not… #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:51:13 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: Next week we meet urban fantasy author @DanielPolansky talking about his new novel, LOW TOWN and more. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:51:36 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS That guy … he was a big deal in 1968, I believe. :-D #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:51:36 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: Next week we meet urban fantasy author @DanielPolansky talking about his new novel, LOW TOWN and more. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:51:36 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout LOL Couldn’t resist. We all have a few like that we’d like to hose or at least send our sales numbers to one day #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:52:16 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @shadowflame1974 It was intimidating. I didn’t want to screw the story up! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:52:23 +0000 2011)
shadowflame1974: @gregvaneekhout :D I bet not! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:52:45 +0000 2011)
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gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS He just wan’t ready for my world-changing fictions!!!! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:53:00 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout You blew his mind, being ahead of your time and all. ;) #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:53:21 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout What advice would you give to up and coming writers or those just starting out? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:53:44 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Also, I was young and could barely write, which may have had SOMETHING to do with it! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:53:45 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Nah. Come on…. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:53:56 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @gregvaneekhout Every day you write, you beat the thousands who didn’t and the millions who didn’t try. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:54:13 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS It’s cliche, but if it’s your dream, don’t put yourself in a position to regret not trying hard enough. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:54:42 +0000 2011)
followthelede: RT @gregvaneekhout:Every day you write, you beat the thousands who didnt and the millions who didnt try. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:09 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS It’s hard to get published in worthy places. Harder than I expected, anyway. Hold yourself to high standards. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:22 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout One of my teachers used to say you have to fail a few times to succeed at anything worthwhile. So don’t be afraid #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:27 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout to try #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:31 +0000 2011)
hyperlouis: @gregvaneekhout It really is an ‘owe it to yourself,’ bucket list kind of thing, isn’t it? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:46 +0000 2011)
louisbshalako: @gregvaneekhout It really is an ‘owe it to yourself,’ bucket list kind of thing, isn’t it? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:47 +0000 2011)
jelundberg: RT @gregvaneekhout: @gregvaneekhout Every day you write, you beat the thousands who didn’t and the millions who didn’t try. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:49 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: We have all the transcripts, extra interviews, giveaways, and more at:http://t.co/oMGzzBX #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:51 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: We have all the transcripts, extra interviews, giveaways, and more at:http://t.co/EP9Gir7 #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:55:51 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS And forgive yourself for being a bad writer. You have to work through many, many bad words. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:56:06 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @louisbshalako If it’s what you want to do, then you have to give yourself the best chance. Nobody else can. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:56:41 +0000 2011)
followthelede: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS And forgive yourself for being a bad writer. You have to work through many, many bad words. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:56:50 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Every successful writer has written words they regret, I’d imagine. LOL #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:56:59 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I think you have to fail a lot. Every attempt at writing is a new kind of failure. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:57:44 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Boy has a heavy theme about the environment. A message of sorts. Is that a common theme for you? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:57:48 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I think you have to fail a lot. Every attempt at writing is a new kind of failure. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:57:57 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I think you have to fail a lot. Every attempt at writing is a new kind of failure. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:57:57 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Success and failure can take place in the same sentence. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:58:00 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Success and failure can take place in the same sentence. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:58:05 +0000 2011)
followthelede: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Success and failure can take place in the same sentence. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:58:18 +0000 2011)
followthelede: RT @gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS I think you have to fail a lot. Every attempt at writing is a new kind of failure. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:58:33 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: Well @gregvaneekhout thanks so much for taking the time to chat with us. Any closing remarks before we go? #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:04 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Also, stay hydrated, take care of your back and wrists, and get out of the dang house sometimes. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:08 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Good advice! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:18 +0000 2011)
hyperlouis: @gregvaneekhout Good advice! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:40 +0000 2011)
louisbshalako: @gregvaneekhout Good advice! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:41 +0000 2011)
Wyld_Dandelyon: @gregvaneekhout Yes, thank you! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:53 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: @BryanThomasS Thank you for having me! One last thing: It’s supposed to be fun. If it REALLY makes you miserable, stop. #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 01:59:55 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: @gregvaneekhout Thanks for all the great tips. Much appreciated. I enjoyed your book and look forward to reading more! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 02:00:25 +0000 2011)
sffwrtcht: A transcript of tonight´s chat will be up on the blog shortly. Thanks for joining us! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 02:00:31 +0000 2011)
BryanThomasS: A transcript of tonight´s chat will be up on the blog shortly. Thanks for joining us! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 02:00:32 +0000 2011)
gregvaneekhout: Thanks, everyone! #sffwrtcht (Thu Sep 08 02:00:34 +0000 2011)

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